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		<title>By: Mike Cosgrave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Cosgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I work in an Irish university, where we do not have a &#039;tenure&#039; system with review and so on - we just have permanent posts and you either get one or you don&#039;t. We do have a great deal of heat generated about academic promotions, which I guess is the same are your tenure reviews. 

It seems to be that the focus on fixed points in an academic career, whether it is getting tenure or making senior lecturer, doesn&#039;t really address the problems of supporting the development of an academic career, and neither do bean counter formulae about so much teaching, so many publications and so much admin time. People are productive in different ways at different times in their careers - it would be normal to have a burst of research output after completing a Phd, perhaps a few years of emphasis on teaching, a period when you get stuck with lots of admin, then perhaps a mid-career burst of new ideas for publications. Really great, paradigm challenging research does not come at a production line pace, particularly in the humanities. I think a big problem with tenure is that it requires taking a gamble on someone quite early in their career, when you have no idea how productive they will be 20 or 30 years later. If universities had a better understanding of how academic careers ebb and flow between research, teaching and admin, and better mechanisms for supporting that over 5 and 10 year windows rather than just this year&#039;s research output report, then there would be much less agony and stress over the granting of tenure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I work in an Irish university, where we do not have a &#8216;tenure&#8217; system with review and so on &#8211; we just have permanent posts and you either get one or you don&#8217;t. We do have a great deal of heat generated about academic promotions, which I guess is the same are your tenure reviews. </p>
<p>It seems to be that the focus on fixed points in an academic career, whether it is getting tenure or making senior lecturer, doesn&#8217;t really address the problems of supporting the development of an academic career, and neither do bean counter formulae about so much teaching, so many publications and so much admin time. People are productive in different ways at different times in their careers &#8211; it would be normal to have a burst of research output after completing a Phd, perhaps a few years of emphasis on teaching, a period when you get stuck with lots of admin, then perhaps a mid-career burst of new ideas for publications. Really great, paradigm challenging research does not come at a production line pace, particularly in the humanities. I think a big problem with tenure is that it requires taking a gamble on someone quite early in their career, when you have no idea how productive they will be 20 or 30 years later. If universities had a better understanding of how academic careers ebb and flow between research, teaching and admin, and better mechanisms for supporting that over 5 and 10 year windows rather than just this year&#8217;s research output report, then there would be much less agony and stress over the granting of tenure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mittell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mittell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve enjoyed this conversation. One point that I think needs exploring is what type of performance review might replace tenure. While the threshold might not totally clear and the process can lack transparency, the best thing about tenure from where I sit is that there is a real review with real stakes. What other review system could produce the stakes to get both the reviewers and reviewed to take it seriously and fairly? Routine contract reviews seem to be typically phoned-in by reviewers and rarely result in any changes in staffing or performance for legit reasons. And the lack of reviews with teeth produces the lazy tenured prof that you set up as a straw man (sure, there are examples, but they&#039;re not as uniform as you suggest). So what&#039;s the alternative to keep faculty honestly engaged in their work, but not subject to political whims and shifts in leadership that would undermine a faculty member&#039;s long-term commitment to an institution?

To paraphrase Churchill, tenure is the worst system we&#039;ve got, except for all the other ones...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed this conversation. One point that I think needs exploring is what type of performance review might replace tenure. While the threshold might not totally clear and the process can lack transparency, the best thing about tenure from where I sit is that there is a real review with real stakes. What other review system could produce the stakes to get both the reviewers and reviewed to take it seriously and fairly? Routine contract reviews seem to be typically phoned-in by reviewers and rarely result in any changes in staffing or performance for legit reasons. And the lack of reviews with teeth produces the lazy tenured prof that you set up as a straw man (sure, there are examples, but they&#8217;re not as uniform as you suggest). So what&#8217;s the alternative to keep faculty honestly engaged in their work, but not subject to political whims and shifts in leadership that would undermine a faculty member&#8217;s long-term commitment to an institution?</p>
<p>To paraphrase Churchill, tenure is the worst system we&#8217;ve got, except for all the other ones&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Apelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Apelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tenure may be abused and it may be an old-fangled system, but without it education&#039;s in trouble. At my University they&#039;d cut &#039;em all off to save money - corporate style - a bad style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tenure may be abused and it may be an old-fangled system, but without it education&#8217;s in trouble. At my University they&#8217;d cut &#8216;em all off to save money &#8211; corporate style &#8211; a bad style.</p>
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		<title>By: bangersandmash</title>
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		<dc:creator>bangersandmash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope no one minds me jumping in here, but I&#039;d like to offer an different view on tenure. First, there is no such things as &#039;tenure.&#039; It varies from place to place, as do the protections and opportunities that go along with it. There is no central doctrine of what one must do to gain tenure that applies universally. Some parts of my institution (a large, research intensive university) recognize creative work as valid measure (and notice that I said &#039;parts,&#039; each area sets its own bar). There is a ongoing dialogue about where the power to grant tenure resides, who should have a say in what counts towards tenure, etc. And yes, digital scholarship is a part of this. 

Second, tenure is a communal action -- one receives tenure from a community, the community is responsible for defending the values of tenure. A large part of this is that an individual with tenure is granted &#039;academic freedom,&#039; (a contested term, yes), but also that each individual within the community is responsible for ensuring the academic freedom of their peers withing in the community.  &#039;Academic freedom&#039; and &#039;tenure&#039; are possessions of local communities. Coming into a tenure decision we are/were all subject the to opinions/standards/whims of those already on the inside of the community. Once tenure is obtained it is a responsibility to contribute to the maintenance of those values. If a generation abdicates this responsibility the system ends up looking out of date, old fashioned and sacred cow-ish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope no one minds me jumping in here, but I&#8217;d like to offer an different view on tenure. First, there is no such things as &#8216;tenure.&#8217; It varies from place to place, as do the protections and opportunities that go along with it. There is no central doctrine of what one must do to gain tenure that applies universally. Some parts of my institution (a large, research intensive university) recognize creative work as valid measure (and notice that I said &#8216;parts,&#8217; each area sets its own bar). There is a ongoing dialogue about where the power to grant tenure resides, who should have a say in what counts towards tenure, etc. And yes, digital scholarship is a part of this. </p>
<p>Second, tenure is a communal action &#8212; one receives tenure from a community, the community is responsible for defending the values of tenure. A large part of this is that an individual with tenure is granted &#8216;academic freedom,&#8217; (a contested term, yes), but also that each individual within the community is responsible for ensuring the academic freedom of their peers withing in the community.  &#8216;Academic freedom&#8217; and &#8216;tenure&#8217; are possessions of local communities. Coming into a tenure decision we are/were all subject the to opinions/standards/whims of those already on the inside of the community. Once tenure is obtained it is a responsibility to contribute to the maintenance of those values. If a generation abdicates this responsibility the system ends up looking out of date, old fashioned and sacred cow-ish.</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lester Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t usually chime in simply to say &quot;I agree with X&quot; but I don&#039;t want Michael&#039;s comment to go by the wayside. I too like this blog for what it does, but believe that a more sustained focus on TENURE ITSELF is required to make this piece work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually chime in simply to say &#8220;I agree with X&#8221; but I don&#8217;t want Michael&#8217;s comment to go by the wayside. I too like this blog for what it does, but believe that a more sustained focus on TENURE ITSELF is required to make this piece work.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, would historians accept work that tears down the dominant paradigm of, say, the book&lt;/i&gt;

Depending on the institution, sure.

&lt;i&gt; Would work published on Twitter be acceptable for tenure?&lt;/i&gt;

No chance. 

&lt;i&gt;hile David purposes that you make a name for yourself by subverting the common paradigm, pointing out what is wrong. This strikes me as a rather predictable, conservative pattern, a dialectic of academic discourse.&lt;/i&gt;

You know, if you&#039;re just going to point out any radical scholarship and say &quot;no, that&#039;s really conservative,&quot; then you&#039;re not really interested in conversation so much as marking your polemical territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, would historians accept work that tears down the dominant paradigm of, say, the book</i></p>
<p>Depending on the institution, sure.</p>
<p><i> Would work published on Twitter be acceptable for tenure?</i></p>
<p>No chance. </p>
<p><i>hile David purposes that you make a name for yourself by subverting the common paradigm, pointing out what is wrong. This strikes me as a rather predictable, conservative pattern, a dialectic of academic discourse.</i></p>
<p>You know, if you&#8217;re just going to point out any radical scholarship and say &#8220;no, that&#8217;s really conservative,&#8221; then you&#8217;re not really interested in conversation so much as marking your polemical territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually very much enjoy this blog, but it seems to me that this is an argument has been constructed to suit a pre-conceived conclusion.  As often happens with arguments formulated like this one (conclusion first, then the argument) the individual statements are generally well-taken, but as a whole the argument seems misplaced.  In fact, it&#039;s an argument against tenure that never really criticizes tenure at all, but instead, the policies and forces in the tenure-granting processes.

If I can be a bit flip here, it seems to me the argument is:
1) Tenured professors enjoy working conditions that other &#039;knowledge-workers&#039; do not.  That&#039;s a reasonable observation, but how is that condition produced by tenure itself?  How is that condition not a function of the production of new exploitable labor positions (adjunct, teaching associate, visiting lecturer, etc)?  In other words, the same situation exists in countless working environments that don&#039;t have tenure systems in place. 

As far as your anecdotal example of the tenured prof who coasts along with as little work as possible, that&#039;s fine as an anecdote, but what of the equally anecdotal tenured prof whose lighter teaching load and increased research funds allow her to do serious sustained intellectually rigorous work, and to include graduate students in the process?  

2) The academic-book format that is the prerequisite of most tenure decisions; and the academic-book format is governed by principles that don&#039;t align with academic &#039;merit&#039; (whatever we may decide that may be).  Again, a perfectly fine assessment of the problem of publishing scholarship, particularly in the humanities, particularly with the state of publishing today.  But once again, how is this a fault of the institution of *tenure* and not the process of *tenure-granting*?  Plenty of institutions are beginning to factor in things like &#039;public scholarship&#039; in their tenure review, plenty of others value teaching over research.  Some, as you say, value a nice quiet golf buddy.  But these are not indictments of tenure, but how it is assigned, be it by publishing houses or by college deans. It is also a question of publishing practice, which has less than nothing to do with tenure--or, if it does, you never make the case for it.

&lt;cite&gt;You think Karl Marx would have ever got tenure by writing Capital?&lt;/cite&gt;
Yeah, probably. It was an extremely influential text that was an immediate game-changer across several intellectual fields, not to mention pretty widely-read. There would probably be a bidding war over the publishing rights.  Besides that, though, I think the rhetorical point you&#039;re trying to make falls flat--if it were the case that work that &quot;questions the entirety of the intellectual discourse, that which is truly radical and new, does not count,&quot; would Judith Butler have tenure by the time Gender Trouble came out?  

If you&#039;re going to make a case against tenure, then you need to talk about tenure.  I just don&#039;t see it here. 

@ Matt: publishing work on Twitter would not necessarily &#039;tear down the dominant paradigm of the discipline.&#039;  You&#039;re talking about challenging academic fields.  You&#039;re talking about challenging publishing practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually very much enjoy this blog, but it seems to me that this is an argument has been constructed to suit a pre-conceived conclusion.  As often happens with arguments formulated like this one (conclusion first, then the argument) the individual statements are generally well-taken, but as a whole the argument seems misplaced.  In fact, it&#8217;s an argument against tenure that never really criticizes tenure at all, but instead, the policies and forces in the tenure-granting processes.</p>
<p>If I can be a bit flip here, it seems to me the argument is:<br />
1) Tenured professors enjoy working conditions that other &#8216;knowledge-workers&#8217; do not.  That&#8217;s a reasonable observation, but how is that condition produced by tenure itself?  How is that condition not a function of the production of new exploitable labor positions (adjunct, teaching associate, visiting lecturer, etc)?  In other words, the same situation exists in countless working environments that don&#8217;t have tenure systems in place. </p>
<p>As far as your anecdotal example of the tenured prof who coasts along with as little work as possible, that&#8217;s fine as an anecdote, but what of the equally anecdotal tenured prof whose lighter teaching load and increased research funds allow her to do serious sustained intellectually rigorous work, and to include graduate students in the process?  </p>
<p>2) The academic-book format that is the prerequisite of most tenure decisions; and the academic-book format is governed by principles that don&#8217;t align with academic &#8216;merit&#8217; (whatever we may decide that may be).  Again, a perfectly fine assessment of the problem of publishing scholarship, particularly in the humanities, particularly with the state of publishing today.  But once again, how is this a fault of the institution of *tenure* and not the process of *tenure-granting*?  Plenty of institutions are beginning to factor in things like &#8216;public scholarship&#8217; in their tenure review, plenty of others value teaching over research.  Some, as you say, value a nice quiet golf buddy.  But these are not indictments of tenure, but how it is assigned, be it by publishing houses or by college deans. It is also a question of publishing practice, which has less than nothing to do with tenure&#8211;or, if it does, you never make the case for it.</p>
<p><cite>You think Karl Marx would have ever got tenure by writing Capital?</cite><br />
Yeah, probably. It was an extremely influential text that was an immediate game-changer across several intellectual fields, not to mention pretty widely-read. There would probably be a bidding war over the publishing rights.  Besides that, though, I think the rhetorical point you&#8217;re trying to make falls flat&#8211;if it were the case that work that &#8220;questions the entirety of the intellectual discourse, that which is truly radical and new, does not count,&#8221; would Judith Butler have tenure by the time Gender Trouble came out?  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to make a case against tenure, then you need to talk about tenure.  I just don&#8217;t see it here. </p>
<p>@ Matt: publishing work on Twitter would not necessarily &#8216;tear down the dominant paradigm of the discipline.&#8217;  You&#8217;re talking about challenging academic fields.  You&#8217;re talking about challenging publishing practices.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading through the comments I realized there are a couple of places I should have been a little more clear. That is I agree with Matt but disagree with the other Matt. (Sorry, I just wanted to be clever there.)

Mainly I agree with M. Kirschenbaum, which is to say that I don&#039;t think the dividing line on truly radical thinking versus conservative thinking is a matter of medium of presentation. In this instance I am actually talking about the content independent of medium of presentation (to the degree we could separate the two), so I was not purposing like M. Gold suggests that radical scholarship in the form of twitter or non-book presentation is what it is at stake. I am not arguing that there are hip cool digital projects which don&#039;t count towards tenure and that ought to (although I would argue this in a different context.) What I am suggesting here is that (and just for the sake of argumentation lets limit it to book based scholarship) the content of most of what is used as the tenure book, is rather conservative, mostly predictable, mostly operating within the paradigm. While David purposes that you make a name for yourself by subverting the common paradigm, pointing out what is wrong. This strikes me as a rather predictable, conservative pattern, a dialectic of academic discourse. This sort of subversion of the dominant paradigm strikes me as a rather predictable evolution in argument. It is true that I have read some &quot;radical arguments&quot; in recent scholarship, but most of it does little to question the main paradigms of thought within any discipline. How many of us know someone who had something truly interesting to publish, and which was rejected because it didn&#039;t fit neatly into any field or current disciplinary structure.

-Kathy
Point taken. I should have specified early on that I was talking about the Research University model, it is where the discussion started but I should have made that context clear. I don&#039;t think though that makes this discourse &quot;elitist&quot; just critical within a specific context. And what is more I think more and more schools are moving to replicate the research University model, requiring that new faculty pass a newer more strict tenure policy which often includes a book. And again while I see many jr. faculty pushing the edge of form in scholarship (digital) I still see many conversations (participated in many) where jr. faculty say that a particular argument just won&#039;t fly, is not acceptable, needs to be modified in order to be considered. And the fact that scholarship is consistently measured by a ruler of &quot;will it get me tenure&quot; versus &quot;is this though provoking&quot; only serves to prove my point.

I guess I probably misled the readership here with that last line (alas miscommunication always happens) I am not going to purpose that digital scholarship, publishing online is the answer, but something else . . .but I will say that the way tenure operates at Research Universities, by getting the tenure book published, means that said scholarship is made to conform to a very specific model of what counts, that is being decided by conservative market/publishing forces. If it doesn&#039;t sell in a very real sense of the word sell it probably can&#039;t get published, and you probably can&#039;t get tenure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading through the comments I realized there are a couple of places I should have been a little more clear. That is I agree with Matt but disagree with the other Matt. (Sorry, I just wanted to be clever there.)</p>
<p>Mainly I agree with M. Kirschenbaum, which is to say that I don&#8217;t think the dividing line on truly radical thinking versus conservative thinking is a matter of medium of presentation. In this instance I am actually talking about the content independent of medium of presentation (to the degree we could separate the two), so I was not purposing like M. Gold suggests that radical scholarship in the form of twitter or non-book presentation is what it is at stake. I am not arguing that there are hip cool digital projects which don&#8217;t count towards tenure and that ought to (although I would argue this in a different context.) What I am suggesting here is that (and just for the sake of argumentation lets limit it to book based scholarship) the content of most of what is used as the tenure book, is rather conservative, mostly predictable, mostly operating within the paradigm. While David purposes that you make a name for yourself by subverting the common paradigm, pointing out what is wrong. This strikes me as a rather predictable, conservative pattern, a dialectic of academic discourse. This sort of subversion of the dominant paradigm strikes me as a rather predictable evolution in argument. It is true that I have read some &#8220;radical arguments&#8221; in recent scholarship, but most of it does little to question the main paradigms of thought within any discipline. How many of us know someone who had something truly interesting to publish, and which was rejected because it didn&#8217;t fit neatly into any field or current disciplinary structure.</p>
<p>-Kathy<br />
Point taken. I should have specified early on that I was talking about the Research University model, it is where the discussion started but I should have made that context clear. I don&#8217;t think though that makes this discourse &#8220;elitist&#8221; just critical within a specific context. And what is more I think more and more schools are moving to replicate the research University model, requiring that new faculty pass a newer more strict tenure policy which often includes a book. And again while I see many jr. faculty pushing the edge of form in scholarship (digital) I still see many conversations (participated in many) where jr. faculty say that a particular argument just won&#8217;t fly, is not acceptable, needs to be modified in order to be considered. And the fact that scholarship is consistently measured by a ruler of &#8220;will it get me tenure&#8221; versus &#8220;is this though provoking&#8221; only serves to prove my point.</p>
<p>I guess I probably misled the readership here with that last line (alas miscommunication always happens) I am not going to purpose that digital scholarship, publishing online is the answer, but something else . . .but I will say that the way tenure operates at Research Universities, by getting the tenure book published, means that said scholarship is made to conform to a very specific model of what counts, that is being decided by conservative market/publishing forces. If it doesn&#8217;t sell in a very real sense of the word sell it probably can&#8217;t get published, and you probably can&#8217;t get tenure.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description>Dave, thanks for tackling this inquiry. In reading your provocative post, I kept thinking of an article in the 2008 edition of MLA&#039;s journal, _Profession_.  Dana Ringuette responds to the MLA Task Force on Evaluating Scholarship for Tenure and Promotion report.  He argues for the values you advocate: better mentor relationships, transparency, collaboration, diversity of thought, less emphasis on the monograph... but he does not argue for eliminating tenure. While he certainly questions the value of permanent teaching positions, he provides evidence that, through communication, a more open culture can exist within the hierarchical structure of the tenure track. My point is that I think many smaller institutions - Ringuette is at E. Illinois University – have taken conscious steps towards avoiding the oppressive, publication-hungry “you’re out/you’re in” intellectual atmosphere you describe. You seem to focus on large research institutions, unlike the liberal arts college I attended as an undergrad.  The PBS documentary _Declining by Degrees_ lays bare the distinction I am pointing to.  Regardless, I for one am really looking forward to the second part of your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, thanks for tackling this inquiry. In reading your provocative post, I kept thinking of an article in the 2008 edition of MLA&#8217;s journal, _Profession_.  Dana Ringuette responds to the MLA Task Force on Evaluating Scholarship for Tenure and Promotion report.  He argues for the values you advocate: better mentor relationships, transparency, collaboration, diversity of thought, less emphasis on the monograph&#8230; but he does not argue for eliminating tenure. While he certainly questions the value of permanent teaching positions, he provides evidence that, through communication, a more open culture can exist within the hierarchical structure of the tenure track. My point is that I think many smaller institutions &#8211; Ringuette is at E. Illinois University – have taken conscious steps towards avoiding the oppressive, publication-hungry “you’re out/you’re in” intellectual atmosphere you describe. You seem to focus on large research institutions, unlike the liberal arts college I attended as an undergrad.  The PBS documentary _Declining by Degrees_ lays bare the distinction I am pointing to.  Regardless, I for one am really looking forward to the second part of your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first and foremost, the assumption here is based on a Research 1 Univ model (or whatever the latest designations are).  What about all of those state-funded schools where the Jr. Faculty are sometimes outranked by the longstanding contractual lecturer?  Where Jrs are treated like pooper scoopers?  It&#039;s true at these places, the Srs for the most part skirt out on duties and don&#039;t produce scholarship.  But, they still must carry the same 4-4 load or suffer a salary reduction.  

While I found some of the concepts in your post (and on Twitter) very provocative, it really pushes a point of view from a research institute.  Doesn&#039;t that smack of elitism or at the very least replicating the class divide of our higher education system?  

As for Jrs forcing their scholarship to fit into standard paradigms, I have to disagree with you there.  Many are pushing that bleeding edge and realize some resistance in the departments.  I&#039;m finding that those who are teaching the heavier loads are given MUCH more leeway in their scholarship.  Perhaps its the research institutes that should take a look at their tenure system? 

Sorry to be so prolific.  I&#039;m fighting the good fight for digital scholarship in a large public institute that struggles just to make the budget let alone fund any groovy, cool, interesting projects for their Jrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first and foremost, the assumption here is based on a Research 1 Univ model (or whatever the latest designations are).  What about all of those state-funded schools where the Jr. Faculty are sometimes outranked by the longstanding contractual lecturer?  Where Jrs are treated like pooper scoopers?  It&#8217;s true at these places, the Srs for the most part skirt out on duties and don&#8217;t produce scholarship.  But, they still must carry the same 4-4 load or suffer a salary reduction.  </p>
<p>While I found some of the concepts in your post (and on Twitter) very provocative, it really pushes a point of view from a research institute.  Doesn&#8217;t that smack of elitism or at the very least replicating the class divide of our higher education system?  </p>
<p>As for Jrs forcing their scholarship to fit into standard paradigms, I have to disagree with you there.  Many are pushing that bleeding edge and realize some resistance in the departments.  I&#8217;m finding that those who are teaching the heavier loads are given MUCH more leeway in their scholarship.  Perhaps its the research institutes that should take a look at their tenure system? </p>
<p>Sorry to be so prolific.  I&#8217;m fighting the good fight for digital scholarship in a large public institute that struggles just to make the budget let alone fund any groovy, cool, interesting projects for their Jrs.</p>
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