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		<title>By: Handling Email (Part III) - academhack - Thoughts on Technology and Higher Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handling Email (Part III) - academhack - Thoughts on Technology and Higher Education</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] You can send me written work as an attachment (depending on the work, and the class I require final drafts to be printed and handed in) but only if it is as a .rtf or .pdf. I usually cover this later as well, about the time that students want to email me drafts of papers for comments. (For why this is important see a previous post.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can send me written work as an attachment (depending on the work, and the class I require final drafts to be printed and handed in) but only if it is as a .rtf or .pdf. I usually cover this later as well, about the time that students want to email me drafts of papers for comments. (For why this is important see a previous post.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Instructions for (Virtual) Workshop Expository Writing: Stories of the &#8220;Good Life&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Instructions for (Virtual) Workshop Expository Writing: Stories of the &#8220;Good Life&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. #1s need to distribute a copy of their essay via e-mail. To do this, send it as an attachment (I strongly recommend you send it as a .rtf document to avoid any problems with peers who are unable to open your document &#8212; for an explanation on how to to this see this). This means that you&#8217;re sending your paper to e-mail addresses of all the other As or Bs, etc. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1. #1s need to distribute a copy of their essay via e-mail. To do this, send it as an attachment (I strongly recommend you send it as a .rtf document to avoid any problems with peers who are unable to open your document &#8212; for an explanation on how to to this see this). This means that you&#8217;re sending your paper to e-mail addresses of all the other As or Bs, etc. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: academhack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Absent but Still Here</title>
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		<dc:creator>academhack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Absent but Still Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Docx File Converter: If you are on a Mac and students have not learned to save as an .rtf this will allow you to convert files. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Docx File Converter: If you are on a Mac and students have not learned to save as an .rtf this will allow you to convert files. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: academhack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Warning to MSWord Users</title>
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		<dc:creator>academhack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Warning to MSWord Users</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Second, better yet just send your files as a .rtf. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://academhack.outsidethetext.com/home/2006/saving-as-rtf/comment-page-1/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toke:
Thanks for the clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toke:<br />
Thanks for the clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is a bit restrictive to have to save twice once as .mel and once as .rtf.  But the export function actually does a better job of getting it accurately into a .rtf form than most programs. The issue of natively saving isn&#039;t that different from say Word, Word isn&#039;t natively saving either. (My biggest complaint is actually lack of a keyboard shortcut.) I also rather frequently import a Word document into Mellel, via the import function, and export it to Word via export, and this works 90% of the time.  (And the time I save elsewhere in Mellel makes this more than worth it.)

Three things:
1. Mellel&#039;s next release will build on XML format, which means this will solve all your problems as the code will be easily readable.  For small documents whose format is unimportant I tend to keep them in .rtf, and near the end of the writing stage, style it up.

2. You can always use and compose in AbiWord and than go to Mellel for styling it up.

3. On Macs there is one last solution that is really nice, when I am done with a document, that is moving it to the printing stage, so I want to preserve how it looks across all computers you can select print, and rather than print save it as a .pdf.  Pdf&#039;s are large which is not the most convient but their layout is kept in tact. (This can be done on a PC it is just harder.)

Finally if Word works for you, keep using it.Â  I however was really frustrated by how it worked, and what it did and wouldn&#039;t let me do, and I think most people feel the same especially when they try out another format.Â  But if you do stick with Word do the world a favor and always send docs as a .rtf. (And get your students to do it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is a bit restrictive to have to save twice once as .mel and once as .rtf.  But the export function actually does a better job of getting it accurately into a .rtf form than most programs. The issue of natively saving isn&#8217;t that different from say Word, Word isn&#8217;t natively saving either. (My biggest complaint is actually lack of a keyboard shortcut.) I also rather frequently import a Word document into Mellel, via the import function, and export it to Word via export, and this works 90% of the time.  (And the time I save elsewhere in Mellel makes this more than worth it.)</p>
<p>Three things:<br />
1. Mellel&#8217;s next release will build on XML format, which means this will solve all your problems as the code will be easily readable.  For small documents whose format is unimportant I tend to keep them in .rtf, and near the end of the writing stage, style it up.</p>
<p>2. You can always use and compose in AbiWord and than go to Mellel for styling it up.</p>
<p>3. On Macs there is one last solution that is really nice, when I am done with a document, that is moving it to the printing stage, so I want to preserve how it looks across all computers you can select print, and rather than print save it as a .pdf.  Pdf&#8217;s are large which is not the most convient but their layout is kept in tact. (This can be done on a PC it is just harder.)</p>
<p>Finally if Word works for you, keep using it.Â  I however was really frustrated by how it worked, and what it did and wouldn&#8217;t let me do, and I think most people feel the same especially when they try out another format.Â  But if you do stick with Word do the world a favor and always send docs as a .rtf. (And get your students to do it.)</p>
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		<title>By: pollian</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being an academic--and a newbie Mac-user--I was intrigued by your praise for Mellel, and did a little snooping. But from my end, file compatiability issues are paramount and RTF just doesn&#039;t solve them. Mellel is designed precisely for the kinds of elaborate, extended documents that RTF can&#039;t easily handle. And besides that, it doesn&#039;t even natively save in RTF. It requires an export. Seeing as how, in the course of my everyday life, I often share documents, open them on various computers (some public some private), I need those documents to be readable in a variety of word processors. And I don&#039;t want to deal with the hassle of keeping two copies of all of my documents (one native for Mellel, one an exported RTf).

Having said that, I entirely agree with your ideological side. We should be speaking and writing in a format that is as widely accessible as is possible. But RTF is just not powerful enough for this. ODF, on the other hand, is. And had Mellel or Nisus had the foresight to switch to ODF, the word processing landscape would be quite different. But they didn&#039;t. And it&#039;s the reason I can&#039;t use their programs.

From my perspective, I don&#039;t see a viable alternative to word:
NeoOffice is still in Alpha, to say nothing of being horrifically slow
Openoffice is not much of a Mac application
Abiword has so many font rendering problems on the Mac as to make it unusable
Mellel and Nisus use formats that are far less universal and far less sharable than MSWord.

I&#039;m still open (indeed eager) to being convinced that there is a viable alternative. So if I have missed something, please do make suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an academic&#8211;and a newbie Mac-user&#8211;I was intrigued by your praise for Mellel, and did a little snooping. But from my end, file compatiability issues are paramount and RTF just doesn&#8217;t solve them. Mellel is designed precisely for the kinds of elaborate, extended documents that RTF can&#8217;t easily handle. And besides that, it doesn&#8217;t even natively save in RTF. It requires an export. Seeing as how, in the course of my everyday life, I often share documents, open them on various computers (some public some private), I need those documents to be readable in a variety of word processors. And I don&#8217;t want to deal with the hassle of keeping two copies of all of my documents (one native for Mellel, one an exported RTf).</p>
<p>Having said that, I entirely agree with your ideological side. We should be speaking and writing in a format that is as widely accessible as is possible. But RTF is just not powerful enough for this. ODF, on the other hand, is. And had Mellel or Nisus had the foresight to switch to ODF, the word processing landscape would be quite different. But they didn&#8217;t. And it&#8217;s the reason I can&#8217;t use their programs.</p>
<p>From my perspective, I don&#8217;t see a viable alternative to word:<br />
NeoOffice is still in Alpha, to say nothing of being horrifically slow<br />
Openoffice is not much of a Mac application<br />
Abiword has so many font rendering problems on the Mac as to make it unusable<br />
Mellel and Nisus use formats that are far less universal and far less sharable than MSWord.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still open (indeed eager) to being convinced that there is a viable alternative. So if I have missed something, please do make suggestions.</p>
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